Discussion:
[IPCop-user] Cant update ipcop
rob shugg
2002-04-11 03:28:04 UTC
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Hey I get no response when uploading updates. i browse and then select
and press upload but ther is no message to confirm update. also i get
"Could not download the available updates list." when i try to update
it.
I have a suspicion that a rule is preventing the list update as some
icmp packets are being trapped when i attempt the update. here is one of
the packets.
15:21:31 input - eth1 PROTO=2 192.168.0.1:65535 224.0.0.1:65535 L=28
S=0x00 I=0 F=0x0000 T=1 (#9)
can anyone help?

rob


PS BTW this is a fresh install from my cd.
Mark (fat)
2002-04-11 06:57:02 UTC
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I have a similar problem with opera whereas with internet explorer on
the same client it works ok. Do you have any personal proxy servers
installed or one of those fancy http context virus scanners?


Mark (fat)

-----Original Message-----
From: ipcop-user-***@lists.sourceforge.net
[mailto:ipcop-user-***@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of rob shugg
Sent: 11 April 2002 06:24
To: IPCop
Subject: [IPCop-user] Cant update ipcop


Hey I get no response when uploading updates. i browse and then select
and press upload but ther is no message to confirm update. also i get
"Could not download the available updates list." when i try to update
it. I have a suspicion that a rule is preventing the list update as some
icmp packets are being trapped when i attempt the update. here is one of
the packets. 15:21:31 input - eth1 PROTO=2 192.168.0.1:65535
224.0.0.1:65535 L=28 S=0x00 I=0 F=0x0000 T=1 (#9) can anyone help?

rob


PS BTW this is a fresh install from my cd.
Mark (fat)
2002-04-11 10:42:02 UTC
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Hi list,

Currently I have a home LAN consisting of several different OS client
machines. I want to add a linux file server to it and am looking for
everyones opinion. As with all things there are many options but my
basic criteria are as follows:

SSH
A distro design with this role in mind
Web managament without a keyboard, monitor or mouse
Windows file sharing
Print server with good printer driver support
Free, minimum cost or donation based
Stripped of all uneccesary components
Secure (well as secure as a file server can be)
Syslog server
IDS
Simple update management
Ext3 filesystem
Runs on a P166 with 64Mb



A wish list that is not essential

A media server (for MP3, video etc)
Tripwire
Portsentry
A log analysis suite that can concatenate all my LAN logs and present in
a summarised manner and mail alarms
RPM support
IDE raid support (a cheap way to get over tha large hard drive bug with
my hardware)
Config backup
Data backup
MAC based access lists
A nice Ipchains front end

I understand that it is unlikely I will get all this by default but I am
prepared to mod it. I would rather add missing components though than
start with a stock red hat box and strip it down (for fear of missing
something).

I have found a few options so far

E-Smith www.e-smith.org
ClarkConnect http://www.clarkconnect.org
Pizza Box http://www.kyzo.com/


I realise this is off topic but I suspect that allot of IPCOP users
(like me) require a two box network solution and if we can come up with
a nice solution to "recommend" it think it would be appropriate.

So does anyone have any recommendations on either distros that I have
not listed or advice on the ones I have?

Also have I been stupid and missed any features?

Thanks in advance,


Mark (fat)
Ben Ruset
2002-04-11 12:10:04 UTC
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I'd go with Mandrake, since it has all of that stuff built in. Just do a
selective install and don't install the junk you don't need (Xwindows,
games, etc.)
Post by Mark (fat)
Currently I have a home LAN consisting of several different OS client
machines. I want to add a linux file server to it and am looking for
everyones opinion. As with all things there are many options but my
SSH
Got it.
Post by Mark (fat)
A distro design with this role in mind
No such beast. Get Novell if you want a "file server" OS.
Post by Mark (fat)
Web managament without a keyboard, monitor or mouse
Webmin.
Post by Mark (fat)
Windows file sharing
Print server with good printer driver support
Samba.
Post by Mark (fat)
Free, minimum cost or donation based
You can download it for free, or buy it.
Post by Mark (fat)
Stripped of all uneccesary components
You have to do that yourself.
Post by Mark (fat)
Secure (well as secure as a file server can be)
It's as secure as you make it.
Post by Mark (fat)
Syslog server
IDS
What do you need IDS if it's going to live behind your firewall for? Surely
you dont plan on allowing netbios through your firewall???
Post by Mark (fat)
Simple update management
Ext3 filesystem
Ext3, REISER, jfs, etc.
Post by Mark (fat)
Runs on a P166 with 64Mb
Piece of cake.
Phil Barnett
2002-04-12 02:07:11 UTC
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Post by Mark (fat)
Hi list,
Currently I have a home LAN consisting of several different OS client
machines. I want to add a linux file server to it and am looking for
everyones opinion. As with all things there are many options but my
SSH
Open SSH
Post by Mark (fat)
A distro design with this role in mind
Web managament without a keyboard, monitor or mouse
Windows file sharing
SAMBA
Post by Mark (fat)
Print server with good printer driver support
CUPS
Post by Mark (fat)
Free, minimum cost or donation based
Easy to achieve, see below.
Post by Mark (fat)
Stripped of all uneccesary components
"Necessary" is in the mind of the local sysadmin. If you use an rpm
based distribution, it's simple to get rid of the stuff you don't want.
What's not so simple is to know what it is you want to get rid of.
Post by Mark (fat)
Secure (well as secure as a file server can be)
I'd install Nessus and scan myself as often as changes are made and not
less than weekly.

Picking a distro that Bastille will run on is a great starting point.
Post by Mark (fat)
Syslog server
I've never seen a modern distro that didn't.
Post by Mark (fat)
IDS
Snort amd snortsnarf.
Post by Mark (fat)
Simple update management
Ok, now this is a debate. RPM or apt-get. Both have their upside and
downsides. RedHat offers up2date which I've used and it's outstanding,
but generally a little conservative on rev levels. Mandrake offers a
update manager as well. I've used them all, they all work.
Post by Mark (fat)
Ext3 filesystem
Easily available with every one mentioned below, but I'd probably go
with ReiserFS instead. It's also journalled.
Post by Mark (fat)
Runs on a P166 with 64Mb
Not a problem. You're not in a hurry, eh? (In Linux, add ram first,
then cpu)
Post by Mark (fat)
A wish list that is not essential
A media server (for MP3, video etc)
Should not be a problem, but I've not done it. Don't know if this is
cpu bound, but probably not.
Post by Mark (fat)
Tripwire
Just install it.
Post by Mark (fat)
Portsentry
Comes with Debian, Mandrake and Redhat.
Post by Mark (fat)
A log analysis suite that can concatenate all my LAN logs and present
in a summarised manner and mail alarms
Choose one of many and install it. This will take a while to get it
like you want it.
Post by Mark (fat)
RPM support
There goes Debian. You can use Alien, but it's not the same level of
integration.
Post by Mark (fat)
IDE raid support (a cheap way to get over tha large hard drive bug
with my hardware)
Unless you run the escolade controller, you are better off with
Software RAID 0, 1 or 1+0. Cheap and fast. Quite stable. Many of the
'so called' ide raid controllers are crap and don't do a credible job.
I can point you to extensive conversations regarding this.

A P-166 is probably not a good choice here. Why worry about a high
performance disk i/o on a low performance machine? It will pretty much
negate any gain you might have. Just using SCSI would be faster.

Modern Linux kernels ignore the bios and mount large hard drives with
no problem. This is pretty much a non-issue these days.
Post by Mark (fat)
Config backup
Local CVS
Post by Mark (fat)
Data backup
tar
Post by Mark (fat)
MAC based access lists
I don't think any mainstream distribution comes with this, but it's
easy to implement.
Post by Mark (fat)
A nice Ipchains front end
Install one. However, if this is to remain behind a firewall, it's
probably a moot point, and if you are going to be putting a server on
the internet, there's so many other things to deal with.
Post by Mark (fat)
I understand that it is unlikely I will get all this by default but I
am prepared to mod it. I would rather add missing components though
than start with a stock red hat box and strip it down (for fear of
missing something).
I have found a few options so far
E-Smith www.e-smith.org
ClarkConnect http://www.clarkconnect.org
Pizza Box http://www.kyzo.com/
I realise this is off topic but I suspect that allot of IPCOP users
(like me) require a two box network solution and if we can come up
with a nice solution to "recommend" it think it would be appropriate.
So does anyone have any recommendations on either distros that I have
not listed or advice on the ones I have?
I've built and installed lots and lots of Linux boxes and I will say
this: I would go one of three paths.

1. LFS, or Linux from Scratch. This gives you the ultimate power to
define your OS.

Advantages are that everything is compiled from source code,
_everything_, and that you will know exactly what is in there because
you put it there.

Disadvantages, only one. It's time consuming.

2. Redhat 7.2 or Mandrake 8.2.

Advantages are that this gives you the ability to easily find RPM's
that fit and work without banging on them with a hammer. There is a LOT
to be said for running a mainstream distro and the more you install
onto it the more you will be aware of a non-mainstream distro. You will
fight it at many turns.

3. Debian base install and apt-get to get the pieces you want to run.

Advantages are that this is guaranteed to be totally open source and
freely licensed. Anything that is in apt-get repositories has been
rigorously inspected and packaged. Very stable.

My choices, in order of preference would be:

1. Mandrake 8.2's minimal server installation which I'm told can be a
~65 meg install. Then, you can add packages with RPM to go from there.
You will have a very late model kernel to work with, tons of software
that come on the three disk distribution, and a huge user community to
help you.

2. Redhat 7.2 Server install and then spend about 30 minutes with

rpm -qa

and

rpm -e

to list and uninstall everything that I didn't want. This has the
advantage of being a very stable distribution with virtually EVERY
package you would ever want to install being available as an rpm. One
of my favorite choices for a server bacause of addon availability. When
third party vendors release a package, this is always in their 'must
include' list.

3. Debian. This would be a great choice due to the integration of
apt-get and how well everything fits together with minimal fuss. Don't
underestimate this distribution. It's powerful and stable and easy to
administer. Requires slightly more Linux knowhow but gives back to you
in spades.

4. LFS primarily because it's so time consuming. This is the ultimate.

This is very off topic for this list, so may I invite you to join our
Linux User Group mailing list where we can discuss this at length and
there are lots of experts (in every category above) who can help you as
much as you need.

Go to http://leap-cf.org/mailinglist.php3 and join the main mailing
list. Very high signal to noise (very few off topic messages), newbies
-> experienced are welcome. The only real topic limitation is the
discussion of Linux. We have lot's of mailing list subscribers from
around the world, so it's not a local thing at all.

Phil Barnett
Former LEAP President, Vice President and current Ambassador.
Richard Lynch
2002-04-12 05:53:20 UTC
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It sounds like you'd rather start with BSD...

After installation, it has SSH on it. Period.

Then, you decide what stuff you want added.
Post by Mark (fat)
SSH
A distro design with this role in mind
Web managament without a keyboard, monitor or mouse
Web management of the file server?... Hmmmm. Dunno about that one.
Post by Mark (fat)
Windows file sharing
Samba.
Post by Mark (fat)
Print server with good printer driver support
I think Samba does Windows printer support as well, but I also
imagine there are Linux-based printer packages...

The Windows probably has more drivers, but the Linux one is probably
better stability/performance/feature-set... If you don't plan to
install a new printer every week, and if Linux supports the printers
you have, go with Linux. :-)
Post by Mark (fat)
Free, minimum cost or donation based
BSD.
Post by Mark (fat)
Stripped of all uneccesary components
Starts that way, and you decide what's worth the risk of adding.
Post by Mark (fat)
Secure (well as secure as a file server can be)
Rather the point of the "grow your own" philosophy, and they tout
themselves as "secure"
Post by Mark (fat)
Syslog server
IDS
Pretty sure those are easy to find.
Post by Mark (fat)
Simple update management
Update what? Oh. The BSD software? Yeah, you go into the ports
directory of whatever you wanna update, and do:

./configure

BSD works by having scripts that automagically go look on the 'net
for new stable versions, and then configure and install those.

You can update whatever you want by just re-configur-ing.
Post by Mark (fat)
Ext3 filesystem
I think that's something you can add trivially.
Post by Mark (fat)
Runs on a P166 with 64Mb
Sounds okay to me... Though if you're serving up a *LOT* of files to
a *LOT* of people, I'd speculate (pure speculation) that more RAM
might be your next purchase.
Post by Mark (fat)
A media server (for MP3, video etc)
They're just files...

And you don't even need funky-ass streaming software 99.9999% of the time.

Just HTTP streaming works great. Create a text file with a URL to an
audio file, and link to the text file, and it's done.

Here's a site that uses that exclusively, and the dude is selling
like 10,000 CDs a month and PAID OUT US $ 1.3 *MILLION* to artists
you never even heard of, so you *know* he's getting some serious
traffic:

http://cdbaby.com

Here are live, real-time stats on his sales and such-like (scoll down a bit):
http://cdbaby.com/about

Use his search engine to name some famous artist you like, and he'll
churn out 10 CDs that sound kinda like it, only they didn't have the
$100,000 budget to bribe radio to force-feed it to you 100 times a
day. (Payola is live and well, in case you didn't know it... They
just use a middle-man to "hide" it)
Post by Mark (fat)
Tripwire
Portsentry
A log analysis suite that can concatenate all my LAN logs and present in
a summarised manner and mail alarms
RPM support
IDE raid support (a cheap way to get over tha large hard drive bug with
my hardware)
Config backup
Data backup
MAC based access lists
Pretty sure you can do all that easily enough.
Post by Mark (fat)
A nice Ipchains front end
Dunno about that one...
Post by Mark (fat)
E-Smith www.e-smith.org
ClarkConnect http://www.clarkconnect.org
Pizza Box http://www.kyzo.com/
Uhhh. Wait. You want all that stuff on your FIREWALL? Seems crazy to me...

Put all that stuff on your nice box in ORANGE and get an e-Bay $50
special box for your IPCop firewall and be done with it.
Post by Mark (fat)
E-Smith www.e-smith.org
ClarkConnect http://www.clarkconnect.org
Pizza Box http://www.kyzo.com/
I realise this is off topic but I suspect that allot of IPCOP users
(like me) require a two box network solution and if we can come up with
a nice solution to "recommend" it think it would be appropriate.
So does anyone have any recommendations on either distros that I have
not listed or advice on the ones I have?
Also have I been stupid and missed any features?
I dunno... I guess if you're suggesting a second firewall with all
those services on it behind an IPCop it might make sense...

Maybe I'm not understanding what you are after...
--
Got Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm
Joe Matuscak
2002-04-11 11:27:40 UTC
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Post by Mark (fat)
Currently I have a home LAN consisting of several different OS client
machines. I want to add a linux file server to it and am looking for
everyones opinion. As with all things there are many options but my
SSH
A distro design with this role in mind
Web managament without a keyboard, monitor or mouse
Windows file sharing
Print server with good printer driver support
Free, minimum cost or donation based
Stripped of all uneccesary components
Secure (well as secure as a file server can be)
Syslog server
IDS
Simple update management
Ext3 filesystem
Runs on a P166 with 64Mb
You might want to consider using RedHat 7.2 with Bastille. Bastille
(www.bastille-linux.org) is a add on tool that hardens RedHat (and
Mandrake) installs. Its neat in that it explains what it wants to do.
Kinda educational :-)


Joe Matuscak
Rohrer Corporation
717 Seville Road
Wadsworth, Ohio 44281
(330)335-1541
***@rohrer.com
Fernand Jonker
2002-04-11 12:48:14 UTC
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I haven't tried them yet myself, but have been looking at e-smith and
ClarkConnect for a potential integrated server. Just thought I'd mention
them. I believe both have built-in firewalls, but I would probably put
them behind my IP-Cop box anyway.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on these products?

Fernand.
Post by Mark (fat)
Hi list,
Currently I have a home LAN consisting of several different OS client
machines. I want to add a linux file server to it and am looking for
everyones opinion. As with all things there are many options but my
SSH
A distro design with this role in mind
Web managament without a keyboard, monitor or mouse
Windows file sharing
Print server with good printer driver support
Free, minimum cost or donation based
Stripped of all uneccesary components
Secure (well as secure as a file server can be)
Syslog server
IDS
Simple update management
Ext3 filesystem
Runs on a P166 with 64Mb
A wish list that is not essential
A media server (for MP3, video etc)
Tripwire
Portsentry
A log analysis suite that can concatenate all my LAN logs and present in
a summarised manner and mail alarms
RPM support
IDE raid support (a cheap way to get over tha large hard drive bug with
my hardware)
Config backup
Data backup
MAC based access lists
A nice Ipchains front end
I understand that it is unlikely I will get all this by default but I am
prepared to mod it. I would rather add missing components though than
start with a stock red hat box and strip it down (for fear of missing
something).
I have found a few options so far
E-Smith www.e-smith.org
ClarkConnect http://www.clarkconnect.org
Pizza Box http://www.kyzo.com/
I realise this is off topic but I suspect that allot of IPCOP users
(like me) require a two box network solution and if we can come up with
a nice solution to "recommend" it think it would be appropriate.
So does anyone have any recommendations on either distros that I have
not listed or advice on the ones I have?
Also have I been stupid and missed any features?
Thanks in advance,
Mark (fat)
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Post by Mark (fat)
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:41 PM
To: 'IPCop'
Subject: [IPCop-user] [OT] - Advice on a file server to
compliment IPCOP
Hi list,
Currently I have a home LAN consisting of several different OS
client machines. I want to add a linux file server to it and
am looking for everyones opinion. As with all things there are
Snip wish list.

FreeBsd.



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